Hrm, what is the PerfectMUD? And if EVERYONE had it, would it be perfect anymore? While this may be a nice thought, putting together a 'better' starting base ... IMHO, Circle (stock as it is) is one of the BEST coding bases, that I've seen, and HALF of that is because of its simplicity, and standardness. By adding anything to it, you are going to see 100's of muds with those same additions. And for a mud where people still debate over which olc is best, there's NOT that much I would think of adding to the base. In fact, I would almost say that there's too much of a world to circle. That encourages some guy who knows nothing about c or running a decent mud, to pick up the code and run AS IS. I think it should come with 1 room. (grin) What about races and all this 'standard' stuff that everyone should have when they start out with a mud? Remember the more complicated you make the base, the harder it is for people like me to change it (I'm re-doing even the 'taken for granted' things like how eq is handled, the D&D base itself, and what is a dang stat thing called move, and how does that relate to anything? I'm tossing em in the trash..) I think that the very 'stock'-ness of circle encourages the right kinds of behaviors. It allows good solid coders who want a challenge to make something new. And, if you get in-depth enough into it, most well worked, custom crafted circlemud's DO NOT look alike when you get done with em. Each can be a work of art on a canvas that just happened to be supplied by the circle crew. While I agree that patches can be USEFUL things, for additions such as olc's, improvements and/or some great insight into the basics of the mud, I also believe that handing out too much of code like "here's how to add x spell into your mud" and "here's the races code" can cause the viscious strains of genericism, for which circle is ALSO known for. Michael Scott -- "Living in the Eye of the Hurricane." FLAMES/COMMENTS to scottm@workcomm.net +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Ensure that you have read the CircleMUD Mailing List FAQ: | | http://cspo.queensu.ca/~fletcher/Circle/list_faq.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------+
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