On Sun, 17, Aug 1997, Daniel Koepke wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Andrew Helm wrote:
[snip]
> -+Unfortunately, I'm begining to see the futility of trying to get a point
> -+across to you. What do you think the words "You must not solicit or
> -+accept money or other donations in exchange for running CircleMUD." means?
>
> I'm not saying it doesn't prohibit donations, what I am saying is that it
> prohibits any type of monetary gain (which *includes* donations). Do you
> want it German, French, Spanish, hieroglyphs?! The main purpose of that
> is to prohibit someone from *making money off of CircleMUD*.
Daniel, please make up your mind. Are you or are you not saying that the
CircleMUD license prohibits donations?
> If someone sends you money because they like to play your game (eg., donated),
> the acceptance of that money would be MONETARY GAIN off of CircleMUD.
Yes. It would also be a donation. Amazing, eh?
[snip]
> -+A) You've invented some fanciful term called "Monetary Gain."
[snip]
> -+B) You proceeded to show that all restrictions against donations fall under
> -+ restrictions against "Monetary Gain."
> -+C) Then, you reason that since the license *only* prevents "Monetary Gain,"
> -+ donations are okay.
> -+
[full quote added]
> -+Honestly, I'm quite speechless. I've never seen someone perform such a
> -+trick before. The license quite clearly, in more than one part, forbids
> -+donations. It forbids donations for hardware. It forbids donations to
> -+keep the mud running. It forbids donations for monetary gain. In fact,
> -+I'm not sure how the license could be more clearly against donations.
> -+Why can't you accept this?
> I would normally call you a, "fucking idiot," right here; but perhaps I have
> been unclear and a bit patronizing, so I'll explain. You cannot make money
> off of CircleMUD (monetary gain). If someone thinks your MUD is real cool
> and sends you money/whatever, your acceptance of this "gift" hence means
> that you have made money/whatever because of CircleMUD. In other words, it
> is not forbidding someone from making a donation, it's forbidding you from
> ACCEPTING donations or asking for donations.
By forbiding you from accepting donations, it prevents anyone from making
a donation. I never claimed to know whether it's legal for the license to
do this, I just said I've heard some doubts. Anyone who is interested in
the validity of the no donations part of the CircleMUD license ought
to check with a lawyer.
What I did say for sure was the license clearly prohibits donations. What
I can't figure out is why you can't accept this.
> What I said in my last paragraph was simply this. The license *DOES NOT*
> say, "You cannot accept donations from anyone for any reason as long as you
> run CircleMUD," [...]
Duh.
> [...] and it does not say, "No-one can make a donation to you."
Yes, actually in so many words it does say that. :)
At least, it says that your CircleMUD cannot in any way facilitate donations.
To assume the license is talking about donations not related to the
CircleMUD you're running is silly.
> It is saying that you cannot *ACCEPT* donations/compensensation sent to you
> because of your CircleMUD. So, no, it's not robbing some of their free
> will, it's telling you that you can't *accept* those donations.
Umm, how is this different from what I've been saying all along?
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