On Mon, 18 May 1998, Evz wrote: ->This, my friend, is garbage. ->You do not have to be a "veteran programmer", I agree that ->some form of programming experience definitely comes in ->very useful, but providing one has a tidy C book and the right ->kind of mind, then it's possible without any experience. He didn't say you _have_ to be a "veteran" programmer to run a MUD. He said you should _or_ if you don't, then ... ->>keep your mouth shut and don't waist everyone's time with stupid ->>questions. -> ->But you cannot sit there and tell everyone to "shut it with the ->stupid questions" when some of the newbs may have some valid ideas, ->and problems that aren't your standard, oops, I forgot a brace type ->problems. Which has absolutely no bearing on what he said. No-one is replying to intelligent questions with "RTFC". It wouldn't even make sense to reply to a legitimate question with RTFx. However, questions that can be easily answered _do_ and _should_ get the RTFx. ->And btw I think you will find the literate proportion of the ->community on this list like to use "waste" in the above ->context. And, btw, I think you will find the literate _portion_ of the community on this list not to _waste_ their time with idiotic spelling flames -- especially since the majority of said flames have spelling, vocabulary, and/or grammar errors, such as your own. ->Dude, it's such a closed mind attitude!!! No, it's a legitimate and purposeful statement. No-one is going to _stop_ a newbie coder from attempting a MUD. But the warnings will certainly discourage the wise newbies that know their limitations. ->I came to Circle coding, cold, not knowing one thing about C ->programming, but I did it because I wanted to set up my own ->MUD. Good for you! No-one is saying you _can't_ do this. You're one of the rare few who are capable of learning this way. Now go pat yourself on the back and stop figuring just because _you_ can, anyone can. All men were _not_ created equal. ->I've been teaching myself, and I am *learning* (gosh!) new things ->all the time. I am also coping quite adaquately and have never had ->to post to this group with the "waaaaah, this doesn't work and I ->don't know why" kinda questions that the current newbs are posting ->on a regular basis. What do you want, a cookie? You're supposed to learn things on your own and you're not supposed to whine! ->In short, Circle is different for everyone, and while it may not be ->recommended to code a MUD with no previous experience, it shouldn't ->just be written off with "it is NOT a programming learning ->experience". It isn't. "Hello, world," is a programming learning experience. What is so hard to see about this? Since when is a massive chunk of code a learning tool when you can't understand a little chunk of code?! ->Nuff said. I beg to differ. Too much said -- and no points made. -dak : I can't see me replying to anything else in this thread ... +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ensure that you have read the CircleMUD Mailing List FAQ: | | http://democracy.queensu.ca/~fletcher/Circle/list-faq.html | +------------------------------------------------------------+
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