I haven't been logging on as frequently as usual due to the normal end-of- summer madness, so forgive the delay in responding to this. > Recently, I recieved an offer of a site to run my modified circle > 2.2 on. This particular site is a commercial internet access provider. > They have a system that they offer sites to some muds knowing that a 20 > person limit will be put on the game at any particular time. In order to > get on after the 20 person limit is filled, you must either wait for > someone to get off, or pay a fee to the internet provider to gain > access. I used to play a DikuMUD at crl.com that had a similar > situation, and I did not think the DikuMUD creators had a problem with > this. But in order to protect me and the provider, would the above > situation break any part of your license? And/or would you have a > problem with a modified Circle going up under these conditions? As others have stated, this is in violation of the DikuMUD license and thus is disallowed. Remember, the license is there for several reasons. For one thing, here at JHU, it is my understanding that any software developed under the auspices of JHU must be used only for non-commercial purposes. Doing otherwise could jeopardize the non-profit status of the University. It seems likely that DIKU has similar provisions, which is why they say: You may under no circumstances make profit on *ANY* part of DikuMud in any possible way. You may under no circumstances charge money for distributing any part of dikumud - this includes the usual $5 charge for "sending the disk" or "just for the disk" etc. By breaking these rules you violate the agreement between us and the University, and hence will be sued. Note that the Diku creators are concerned with THEIR agreement with THEIR University, which likely stipulates that software written at DIKU must be used in a non-commercial manner. Now, I am certainly not trained in law and thus the above several paragraphs could be completely incorrect. But they do reflect my (possibly incorrect) understanding of the strict legal reasons behind the license. However, the license has a deeper purpose in my opinion. As others have noted, many people have put hundreds if not thousands of hours into the creation of DikuMUD and CircleMUD. It was written as something to enjoy and as an educational tool, but not as a cash cow. It's not reasonable -- from a policy standpoint -- to allow charging, say, $5 "just for the disk", or $3 "just for the use of the terminals". If that is allowed, where does it end? How do I know someone won't come along tomorrow and say that they spent so much money on fancy terminals, that they are justified in charging $20 "just for the use of the terminals"? I really don't want to become embroiled in legal battles over CircleMUD. If that happens, the spirit of the MUD will truly be lost. While I have sympathy for those without sites, finding a site by charging for the MUD is still unacceptable. Just be patient -- the price of computers and network connections will only go down. Jeremy
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