Heh, I do agree to some extent. I am a newbie programmer but my MUD has alot of things that are not on the FTP site. I am so bad at C that I cannot even make a simple calculator prog. I did implament races from scratch, before the race.doc, I did circle and dual skills on my own. Added about 15 spells, 2 new classes, again without a doc. My MUD may look like some of the other MUD's out there, yes, but alot of what is not stock, is basicly 'original'. I'm not yelling, just defending the rights of the newbie programmer. BTW, what does IMHO mean? -Allen Miles ---------- > From: Ebon Mists <mud@quake.cloudnet.com> > To: CircleMUD <circle@cspo.queensu.ca> > Subject: [flamey] Patches > Date: Monday, October 28, 1996 5:18 AM > Just wondering... all you people who are patch-leeches, to all the people who do not know how to code in C yet beg for patches, and ask for people to send you code for new spells like firemissile (which can be coded in under 15 seconds)... are you proud of your muds? Do you see what 'you' created and get a sense of satisfaction from it? I saw a mud on r.g.m.d that advertized TONS of new stuff, We are not stock! it proclaimed. Every single non-stock area could be found on FTP sites, and every 'code addition' in their news file was a patch from the FTP site. They were wholly and completely unoriginal, save for the code patches they got from the site and installed. WHoop-de-frigging-do. Like I havent seen that code elsewhere before. I'm not flaming people who use code pathces. I saw the improved editor and jumped on that like wildfire, I hate the stock editor :) What I am flaming are the newbies (no offense, I was a newbie once too) who know 0 to very little C coding asking for patches for their muds, and when there is a parse error because of unmatched ()'s or a missing ;, they come crying to the list, no debug code, crying HELP IT DOESNT COMPILE!! If you people want to learn to code, and want to build a good mud, for god's sake, at least look over the code, learn how to make new spells (IMHO the easiest thing to learn first, if not a simple spec_proc) and other basic code before you try to install an OLC which is one huge chunk of complicated code, or something else, which when you look at the code, baffles the shit out of you. At least give your players enough respect to not put up just another mud which looks like everyone elses. Hades of Ebon Mists - now open at 199.199.220.9 8888 PS. Like I said, this is not directed at those who use patches, this is directed to those whos code consists wholly of patches. +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Ensure that you have read the CircleMUD Mailing List FAQ: | | http://cspo.queensu.ca/~fletcher/Circle/list_faq.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Ensure that you have read the CircleMUD Mailing List FAQ: | | http://cspo.queensu.ca/~fletcher/Circle/list_faq.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------+
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