> 1. You make it seem like a bug; it's not. If you prefer to call it something other than a bug, that's fine with me. The point is people need to be informed of it because a significant portion might want to change it. > It's not even a logical error. > It's clear that when switched into another player, you _become_ that > player. Did you know that you could also get that player killed? Or as > that player tell someone something that that player did not actually say, > though make it sound like they did? Or listen to other people perhaps tell > you things that are private? If you get the player killed it affects the player. If you forge things from a player if affects the person behind the player. See my point? > 2. In the beginning, since you thought it was a bug, you seemed to be > asking for it to be fixed in future versions of Circle. In the beggining I didn't call it a bug. I said it was sort of a bug. However, you may call it anything you like. > Perhaps it's not that we're taking offense at your suggestion, but rather > in the way that you're suggesting it: Perhaps I was taking offense at the "heavy-handed, arrogant" methods I percieved being used by those who responded to me. It goes both ways. > 3. Your heavy-handed, arrogant method of describing this whole "security > flaw" prompted strong reactions in others. When did I call it a security flaw? Don't put it in quotes then. :) I am amazed that you can call a simple declarative sentence without any loaded adjectives or such a heavy-handed, arrogant method of describing the whole situation. > You list it as a "fact" that > it's a bug -- in fact, the entire thing with being able to switch into > other players is one huge security hole and anyone choosing to use it had > already better have a damn good reason for using it. It's not just > limited to mail. You tell other people "Fix it" -- before you so > graciously say "fix it or no, I don't care". I said it should be fixed. Sorry if that sounded like an order to fix it. I apologize if I sounded commanding but I didn't feel such a simple matter deserved a lot of time. I typed out a short sentence explaining the matter and it's importance. I apologize if it was too simple and to the point. > 4. If, in fact, you had simply alerted others to a possible security hole > individually, you would probably have been met with much less emphatic > of a response. Instead, you listed it as a universal problem, and as > such people found reason to disagree with you. Uhhh... alerted others individually? Do you mean send an individual e-mail to everyone on the whole list instead of just sending it to the list? I'm sorry if you find your arguments against me lacking, but I've only claimed a very simple thing: the behavior of the switch command requires fixing. If you got anything else out of it then it was unintended. > On a written medium such as the Internet, it's best to get everything you > mean to say right the first time, or expect to be called on portions of > it that make no sense to the people you're writing to. This is ironic considering I said exactly what I meant the first time. On the Internet we have these things called archives and it's best to consult them. +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ensure that you have read the CircleMUD Mailing List FAQ: | | http://democracy.queensu.ca/~fletcher/Circle/list-faq.html | +------------------------------------------------------------+
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